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Yes, they do like the personalized algorithmic feed, and that is inseperable from the surveillance part.

There is absolutely nothing stopping the personalization algorithms to run on-device or delegated to a separate service from the video feed.

they certainly don’t want to pay for it either.

It doesn’t have to be a “donation/public funding” vs “ads/surveillance capitalism” dichotomy. I bet we can find alternative models of governance and funding, provided we get to a place Fediverse is relevant enough to attract the attention of some small business, media channels, institutions, etc.

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poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

There is absolutely nothing stopping the personalization algorithms to run on-device or delegated to a separate service from the video feed.

But that is not how the TikTok recommendation algorithm works and doing it locally only would be a very poor substitute most likely, as it seem to also recommend what other people with a similar behavior pattern have liked. And the same algorithm is used to identify suitable targets for advertisers, so the two are basically inseparable.

provided we get to a place Fediverse is relevant enough to attract the attention of some small business, media channels, institutions, etc.

That’s like saying the community garden needs to be relevant enough to attract a seed shop and a fast-food stand etc. And a few weeks later there is no more community garden but rather a strip mall owned by the local oligopolists renting out booths to entrepreneurs. That is just not helpful at all, because it destroys the very foundation of what the Fediverse tries to achieve.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  would be a very poor substitute most likely
  
  phanpy is already doing it for Mastodon, and there are plenty of people satisfied with it.
  
  You have no idea how far one can go by getting a generic training model and fine-tuning on the device
  
  we don’t need to have something a perfect replacement. We just need “good enough”.
  
  even if it is not perfect, it is better than the nothing that reactionary “no algorithm in the Fediverse!” crowd is bringing to the table.
  
  That is just not helpful at all, because it destroys the very foundation of what the Fediverse tries to achieve.
  
  Says who? You and the gatekeepers who’d rather have everyone stuck in the past, just to preserve some technical/ideological purity?
  
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  - poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    You are mixing up two topics here. If someone wants to experiment with a local only algorithmic feed that’s fine, but I can practically guarantee that this will never be enough to convince people to switch from TikTok and the like.
    
    And the other topic is about commercialization. You are the one stuck in the past thinking that is the only way for the Fediverse to succeed. Quite on the contrary, if anyone seriously tried that it would fail quickly and just result in burned investments and a lot of goodwill towards the Fediverse lost.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    Quite on the contrary, if anyone seriously tried that it would fail quickly and just result in burned investments
    
    What do you think that Automattic, Flipboard and Ghost are doing? Do you think they are paying people to develop integrations with AP because they are really nice people and have zero intentions of profiting from their investments?
    
    Look, I better leave this conversation. I should have learned by now that there is no point in arguing with ideologues.
    
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