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There is no point in trying to make the Fediverse a copy of the corporate social media to appeal to users that see no reason to switch.

Again, this is just a lazy cop-out and a perfect display of the hubris here that is so off-putting.

You make it sound that the people using Instagram or TikTok are there because they like the Surveillance Capitalism, or getting bombard by ads, or they are all sucking up to Zuckerberg. Have you ever considered that maybe people are still there because they actually like some of the features they use in the products and they can’t find it here?

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poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Have you actually talked to some people using TikTok? Yes, they do like the personalized algorithmic feed, and that is inseperable from the surveillance part, and they certainly don’t want to pay for it either.

The ones with hubris are people like you that think they can turn the Fediverse into the next big thing. Of course people already on the fediverse are going try raining on your parade 🤷

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  Yes, they do like the personalized algorithmic feed, and that is inseperable from the surveillance part.
  
  There is absolutely nothing stopping the personalization algorithms to run on-device or delegated to a separate service from the video feed.
  
  they certainly don’t want to pay for it either.
  
  It doesn’t have to be a “donation/public funding” vs “ads/surveillance capitalism” dichotomy. I bet we can find alternative models of governance and funding, provided we get to a place Fediverse is relevant enough to attract the attention of some small business, media channels, institutions, etc.
  
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  - poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    There is absolutely nothing stopping the personalization algorithms to run on-device or delegated to a separate service from the video feed.
    
    But that is not how the TikTok recommendation algorithm works and doing it locally only would be a very poor substitute most likely, as it seem to also recommend what other people with a similar behavior pattern have liked. And the same algorithm is used to identify suitable targets for advertisers, so the two are basically inseparable.
    
    provided we get to a place Fediverse is relevant enough to attract the attention of some small business, media channels, institutions, etc.
    
    That’s like saying the community garden needs to be relevant enough to attract a seed shop and a fast-food stand etc. And a few weeks later there is no more community garden but rather a strip mall owned by the local oligopolists renting out booths to entrepreneurs. That is just not helpful at all, because it destroys the very foundation of what the Fediverse tries to achieve.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    would be a very poor substitute most likely
    
    phanpy is already doing it for Mastodon, and there are plenty of people satisfied with it.
    
    You have no idea how far one can go by getting a generic training model and fine-tuning on the device
    
    we don’t need to have something a perfect replacement. We just need “good enough”.
    
    even if it is not perfect, it is better than the nothing that reactionary “no algorithm in the Fediverse!” crowd is bringing to the table.
    
    That is just not helpful at all, because it destroys the very foundation of what the Fediverse tries to achieve.
    
    Says who? You and the gatekeepers who’d rather have everyone stuck in the past, just to preserve some technical/ideological purity?
    
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