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And I am not arguing “everyone will defederate from instances running bots”.

My argument is that admins see any “unwanted” activity and try to squash it on the grounds of “abusing the resources set up for the community”, instead of realizing that the it was the community’s interest in the service provided by the bots that was causing the excessive activity in the first place.

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

And I am not arguing “everyone will defederate from instances running bots”.

This is exactly what you were arguing. There’s no reason to bring up alien.top otherwise.

This is not an hypothetical scenario. It happened with alien.top.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Wait, not only are you misinterpreting what I said (I used alien.top as a case of for “admins will want to defederate because of resource abuse even when their own users find it useful” and less about “admins will ban any bot-only instance”) but your interpretation directly contradicts your first point.
  
  Yeah, you can add the “reasonable output” qualifier all you want. This would be a subjective point. I for one think that a fleet of 98 bots posting each once a day is not even worth of consideration, but clearly some disagree and are willing to treat they guy as “toxic”.
  
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  - db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Wait, not only are you misinterpreting what I said (I used alien.top as a case of for “admins will want to defederate because of resource abuse even when their own users find it useful” and less about “admins will ban any bot-only instance”) but your interpretation directly contradicts your first point.
    
    And I bring up botsin.space as a bot-heavy instance which wasn’t widely defederated which obviuously proves you wrong on what constitures “resource abuse” enough to be banned.
    
    Yeah, you can add the “reasonable output” qualifier all you want. This would be a subjective point.
    
    With botsin.space, we have a good example of what is reasonable to not be defederated.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    There’s a difference between an instance trying to duplicate all of fucking reddit
    
    There were fewer than 200 subreddits being mirrored. This is far from “all of reddit”.
    
    Some of them were also mirroring comments, but the large majority was post-only.
    
    I was implementing a bunch of filters to bring the noise down.
    
    The bots from alien.top were posting only to instances that I also own.
    
    No content was being pushed out. If the content from alien.top was ending up on your instance, it was because your users were interested in the content.
    
    Even after I disabled most of the bots (I think that now it’s only mirroring stuff to sfw.community), the ban on the instance persisted.
    
    With botsin.space, we have a good example of what is reasonable to not be defederated
    
    We also have a good example of an instance that is dead. There is no point in giving that as an example, if no one can’t actually use it.
    
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