Comment on Privacy is ‘the most valuable right of all’, says Signal’s president.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• einkorn@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  OK, I am going to try arguiung that privacy supersedes food:

  To have a right to anything means there is something that I own. Owning something puts a division between me and others who can not own this specific thing: My right is my own, I do not have to diminish it by sharing. The most fundamental form of division is absence. Having a right to privacy is a right to the absence from others. Therefore the right to privacy is a more fundamental one than the right to food.

  However, I agree that in practice eating in public beats dying in private any time of the day. 🤷

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  • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    …and for that you get down voted.

    I think you expressed that well.

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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Food isn’t a right though. It’s necessary for life, sure, but nobody is obligated to provide you with food unless you’re incarcerated or something.

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  • ProvableGecko@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Food isn’t a right though.

    That’s also something else to think about

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Agreed. I believe everyone should have food, I just don’t think it’s a “right.”

      I detail the distinction here and here should you care to read it.

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      • droans@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

        Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    But privacy is?

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      There are two types of rights:

      • negative - government prevents others from violating it (you have it by default)
      • positive - government forces others to provide it (created by the government)

      Privacy and speech fall under the first, food and health care fall under the second. You have privacy by default and the government has to actively violate it, you don’t have food by default and the government has to actively provide it.

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  • uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Article 25

    When I was younger I knew it as the “Right to Food & Shelter”, though I’m not sure if that was taught in a Canadian context.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And I disagree with that document because it mixes positive (from to) and negative (freedom from) rights. Article 25 in particular merely places obligations on governments, and is pretty vague.

      While I believe everyone should have the things in the document, I don’t think many of them are necessary for an individual to be considered “free.”

      For example, let’s imagine a hypothetical communist utopia. There would be no government, and people would share what they have with no expectation of reciprocation (though you’d have a group to manage distribution). Therefore, there’s no entity that can guarantee housing, medical services, etc, that’s on the community to provide, should someone want to. Nobody guarantees a “right” to housing or healthcare or whatever, but you’ll probably have it if you live in a densely populated area.

      Likewise with any anarchist utopia.

      So that’s why I reject any “right” that lays obligates anyone to do anything for me. A “right” to me is something I have innately that can only be violated through action instead of inaction.

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• Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Food is not a right at all

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Neither is privacy then

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