Comment on Python Performance: Why 'if not list' is 2x Faster Than Using len()

• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well yeah, because I’m explicitly not defining a difference between None and []. In most cases, the difference doesn’t matter.

  If I did want to differentiate, I’d use another if block:

  if foo is None:
      ...
  if not foo:
      ...
  

  Explicit is better than implicit. I hate relying on exceptions like len(foo) == 0 raising a TypeError because that’s very much not explicit.

  Exceptions should be for exceptional cases, as in, things that aren’t expected. If it is expected, make an explicit check for it.

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  • LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t really understand the point about exceptions. Yeah “not foo” cannot throw an exception. But the program should crash if an invalid input is provided. If the function expects an optional[list] it should be provided with either a list or None, nothing else.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sure. But is None invalid input in your case, whereas [] is valid? If so, make that check explicit, don’t rely on an implicit check that len(…) does.

      When I see TypeError in the logs, I assume the developer screwed up. When I see ValueError in the logs, I assume the user screwed up. Ideally, TypeError should never happen, and every case where it could happen should transform it to another type of exception that indicates where the error actually lies.

      The only exceptions I want to see in my code are:

      • exceptions from libraries, such as databases and whatnot
      • explicitly raised exceptions

      Implicit ones like accessing attributes on None or calling methods that don’t exist shouldn’t be happening in production code.

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      • LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I agree. So if None is a valid input we should check it first, and then check if the length is zero. In this situation, we see a type error only if the programmer screwed up and everything is explicit

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