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Comment on lemm.ee plans for mitigating image upload abuse

TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

getting the authorities involved

How do you imagine that playing out? This isn’t some paedophile ring trading openly, this is people using CSAM as an attack vector. Getting over-enthusiastic police involved is exactly their goal, and will likely do very little to help the victims in the CSAM itself.

Yes, authorities should be notified and the material provided to the relevant agencies for examination. However that isn’t truly the focus of what’s happening here. There is no immediate threat to children with this attack.

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WalkableProgrammer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

How do you imagine that playing out?

FBI: Whoa that illegal

Admin: Ya

FBI: We’re going to look for this guy

Admin: alright

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- TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This isn’t something the FBI have much involvement with. The FBI deal with matters across states.
  
  This isn’t America, where you have a bunch of separate states unified under one American government. People haven’t been posting porn to lemm.ee. People have been posting porn to other instances, which has seeped through to lemm.ee.
  
  Getting the Estonian law enforcement involved is like trying to get the Californian government involved in dealing with a problem from Texas. Estonian law enforcement have no jurisdiction over lemmy.world or any other instance, and giving them an opportunity is only going to lead to locking down lawful association and communication in favour of some vague “think of the children” rhetoric. And, like I say, it won’t do anything to curtail the production of CSAM as the purpose of this attack has little to do with the promotion of CSAM.
  
  Frankly, it could easily be more like:
  
  lemm.ee: We’ve got a problem with illegal content
  
  Estonian law enforcement: Woah that’s illegal.
  
  Estonian law enforcement: You’ve admitted to hosting illegal content. We’re going to confiscate all your stuff.
  
  lemm.ee is shut down pending investigation.
  
  Meanwhile, if lemm.ee continues its current course of action, yet someone notifies law enforcement:
  
  Estonian law enforcement: Woah, we’ve got a report of something dodgy, that’s illegal.
  
  lemm.ee: People tried to post illegal content elsewhere that could have come to our site, we blocked and deleted it to the best of our ability.
  
  Estonian law enforcement: Fair enough, we’ll see what we can figure out.
  
  It really matters how and when the problem is presented to law enforcement. If you report yourself, they’re much more likely to take action against yourself than if someone else reports you. It doesn’t do yourself any favours to present your transgressions to them, not unless you’re absolutely certain you’re squeeky clean.
  
  At this stage and in these circumstances, corrective action is more important than reporting.
  
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