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All of these are just willfully misunderstanding the point of these things to the point of idiocy.

Usually, the rigid time constraints are shown to not work, and something else happens that solves the conundrum. Either that or the engineer overestimated the time with regards to security protocols, testing and so on, implying that cutting time will be significantly more risky.
The shields are offline because power generation is failing. Diverting power from life support is the last resort, implying that either we get the shields online at the expense of long-term life support for a small chance at survival, or keep them offline for a guaranteed death. It makes sense to divert power from life support.
They are frequently in unfamiliar or entirely deserted locations. Who has every close space station in mind at all times? Are you implying that someone on a long highway cannot be surprised by the distance to the next gas station if gas runs out?
This never happened.
This never happened.

I always held the opinion that “treknobabble” was largely internally consistent and made sense within the established technologies of the universe, with notable exceptions in the biology department (TNG: “Genesis” anyone?). I dislike when people make fun of Trek engineer speech as if it was completely incoherent made up words á la “it’s a unix system”. “Treknobabble” is consistent and believable, and I don’t think it’s cute to insinuate that it’s all some kind of silly in-joke.

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Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Dude… calm down. We all understand that the things make sense in-universe. We’re also able, however, to take a joke. To the layperson its easy to misunderstand and even to some veteran Trekkies it doesn’t always make sense. That’s where humor comes from. It’s the same thing with Worf having his ass kicked jokes or jokes about Data misunderstanding something.

You really need to be able to parse the difference between legitimate complaint and humor. That or at least take a step back so you don’t get so worked up about it. Especially when this is on the Risa community…

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- UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah, that had big “actually the transporter can do basically anything and could and should win every battle” nerding out energy. warf-wtf
  
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  - Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    For real. If someone wants to have a serious discussion about stuff, that’s perfectly fine. But dude came in hot with phasers set to angy.
    
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- UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  I’m not a huge fan of jokes about the Spore Drive and how people don’t understand that but I also understand that they’re just that. Jokes.
  
  You might like this, then. Or hate it.
  
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRk2nxjYHM
  
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  - Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Oh I love it. Especially the animation of the Voyager spore-jumping and just the super anti-climax. Also, arguably, that’s still a better final shot than what we got in Endgame. Not landing on Earth? Fuck off.
    
    I guess it’s better to say that I love the jokes like that but dislike some of the malice that comes behind some of the jokes, if that makes sense. Like for a while before the DSC S2 Finale, people were really riding that “Well why didn’t Voyager jump back?” thing and some of the jokes were either based around a misunderstanding or outright hatred. If that makes sense. Don’t wanna seem like I’m coming off like a crybaby because people are making fun of a show that I like. It’s just hard to explain. I ain’t good with dem der words.
    
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    UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    some of the jokes were either based around a misunderstanding or outright hatred
    
    Oh, I know it.
    
    It felt like aftershocks of the staggering homophobic and racist rage inferno that broke out when Jar Jar Binks first came to theaters.
    
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steakmeout@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Oh god. We have joke murderer.

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uralsolo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It’s interesting because it kind of highlights how a lot people perceive Star Trek technobabble (or at least, the pop-cultural understanding they have of it) as being incoherent nonsense when a lot of the shows have put in a lot of effort into making it not that. One of the most annoying things about the newer Treks is that apparently the writers at CBS started believing it too, causing them to take less care with technobabble in those shows and actually writing a bunch of nonsense.

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- Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Do you have any examples of the ‘actually writing a bunch of nonsense’? I can’t think of any off hand and I’m just curious.
  
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  - uralsolo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’m thinking of Picard being a cyborg now (before everybody just agreed not to talk about it), but I’d have to rewatch disco to get a more specific example and I’m not doing that. It’s a feeling I have that I admittedly could be off base on.
    
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    Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    First off, a massive portion of Season 3 of Picard revolves around the fact that Picard is a cyborg. So I’m not entirely sure where that “before everybody just agreed not to talk about it” bit comes from.
    
    Second, I’ve asked that question of everyone who says that the treknobabble in ‘NuTrek’ doesn’t make sense. No one has ever been able to give me any answer on that at all. A considerable portion of complaints about Discovery, as an example, are wildly unfounded. The ‘it breaks lore/retcons’ complaint is another. There is nothing that I can find that outright breaks lore. Either it’s a misunderstanding, due to it being a visual reboot, or was set up previously by Enterprise.
    
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