Comment on Trump halts all military aid to Ukraine after White House clash with Zelensky
bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 4 weeks agoIt’s the best I have. The alternative is believing Russian propaganda, who are the aggressors here. Collecting accurate polls is nigh impossible though.
So believing one propaganda is better than believing another? Zelensky’s propaganda doesn’t even make any sense, how come everyone supports him, yet no-one joins the army and thus the need for a hundred thousand TCC “draft officers” roaming the streets and hunting people? How does that make sense to you?
Don’t forget that Russia also uses conscription too
Russia conscripts, that’s true (although there are also a lot of volunteers joining the army due to monetarily incentives, in contrast to Zelensky’s regime which treats us as his slaves). Zelensky’s regime kidnaps people off the streets. uadraftmuseum.ch Masked people with rifles are hunting people, beating people, putting people into vans to send them into the meatgrinder, in front of their crying mothers/viwes trying to fight them off (who in the extreme cases process to suicide bomb the draft centers in revenge…). This is how much people hate Zelensky’s regime, and you are believing in Zelensky’s approval rating…
So there’s absolutely precedent here.
There definitely is. It doesn’t change that the opposite is also possible, if Zelensky really wanted to (but of course he doesn’t, war is the only thing that keeps him in power).
And both are going to heavily interfere and neither will accept the results if it’s not what they want
“Interference” is what happens with every election ever, it’s just that sometimes it’s used as an excuse to not accept the results of people’s will.
“Neither will accept the results” is a speculation/opinion that I don’t think is based on anything.
And how is your vote supposed to count
Just like in every other election ever.
The war needs to end before a proper election can happen
Well, remind me, who is against this war ending? Is it Putin? Is it Trump? Is it people getting kidnapped and sent to “fight” it? Or maybe it’s Zelensky? I don’t see a realistic scenario of war ending with Zelensky in power, he is going to fight until the very last of us is dead. That’s why there must be elections.
Ukraine will lose
It already did. It loses more and more territory every single day. All the “counter-offensives” but one were total failures. The Kursk gamble is falling right now (the offensive that was tried a month ago failed so spectacularly that medias are not even talking about it…). But some people want it to continue until there are no more people to sacrifice.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Easy. People may support the idea of resisting Russia, but don’t want to fight themselves.
Draft dodging wasn’t unique to the Vietnam War in the US, it also happened during WW2. It turns out people don’t like dying.
This is true for a lot of things. People can be in favor of the death penalty as long as someone else carries it out.
Well yeah, Ukraine doesn’t have money.
The numbers make some amount of sense. It was 70%+ at the start of the war, and now it’s barely above 50%. Most dictators give themselves a wider safety margin (look at election numbers in Russia or Venezuela).
So until I get better numbers, that’s the best I have. And suicide bombings rarely indicate the majority opinion.
The US is famous for regime change, and Russia is basically doing that now in Syria (and losing), what are you talking about?
No side is interested in it ending without achieving their goals. Everyone seems to want to play with Russian and Ukrainian lives, and it’s disgusting.
But what’s even more disgusting to me is a foreign power coming in and taking advantage. The US wants Ukraine to capitulate so it can plunder its natural resources, so all those Ukrainian lives would’ve been lost for nothing.
If western powers want to help, they should send troops. Failing that, they shouldn’t be at the negotiating table. Maybe peacekeepers step in to enforce a ceasefire so an election can happen, but that should be it.