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No, federated model is chosen over distributed model or centralized model to allow feuds, putting it simply.

That may work for a Reddit alternative, but doesn’t work for markets. Helps moderation (some idea of it, I don’t think that idea is good), but definitely hurts a single space to sell and buy stuff.

Which is why cryptobros and such types make either centralized or distributed systems.

So much for using computer networks for this.

Now about Amazon specifically - your post omits the whole warehouses and logistics part. Which is most of Amazon’s core business.

Computer people today somehow started forgetting that real life is very hard and complex. When I was a kid (born 1996, so not old man), computers had a promise of making that real life easier, and from time to time delivered on it, but at some point bullshit like glossy buttons and Web 2.0 and social media became a thing in itself, and everyone started behaving as if it’s done, we now can look down like olympic gods to those mortals messing around in dirt, and sometimes easily solve their problems. We can’t.

Getting back to logistics - one has to design a system of shared warehouses, transportation, mailing and delivery tasks, tracking, reporting on outcomes of every event, and all that should be even more abuse-resilient than the processes inside actual Amazon. You’ll have Byzantine problems in every interaction.

The “distributed kind of all social media, solving once and for all the problem of centralized platforms” than I’m often dreaming about is realistic compared to that.

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haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Your comment brings no ounce of new ideas or criticisms to the table, overlooks all the pros and cons already mentioned and assumes you know a lot more thane for example. I run businesses for 15 years, do ethical business since 10 yrs and am thinking from a position of experience.

The reason I dont present myself in a way that screams competence is because this is lemmy and we dont need this stuff. I like spitballing ideas and push new projects for the benefit of the people.

But feel free to suggest constructive things.

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- ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I feel like this is far too dismissive for a comment that was in my eyes fairly constructive. He correctly pointed out that one of Amazon’s main selling points is their whole logistics division. A federated website doesn’t have that. So either:
  
  You somehow also start doing logistics, or
  
  You provide a good reason why shops don’t actually care about Amazon’s logistics all that much, and how they could to it themselves instead.
  
  Maybe you could actually address the core of his criticism instead of outright dismissing it.
  
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  - haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You’re missing that these points have already been adressed in a lot of other comments and have been stated way more constructively.
    
    Of course having a whole logistics setup in place will be far superior to only doing dropshipping. But this is a whole different (additional) project. It absolutely has it is place. What I’m dismissing is the claim that the idea is dependent on somehow cloning the arguably much more expensive and complex parts of amazons business.
    
    Again, i do agree that amazon has a huge machinery in place. But I also wish to discuss things without being treated dismissively myself.
    
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- rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Sorry if my tone will be less gentle than needed.
  
  Your comment brings no ounce of new ideas or criticisms to the table,
  
  I don’t think so.
  
  overlooks all the pros and cons already mentioned
  
  It makes sense that others look at different parts of the problem than you do.
  
  I run businesses for 15 years, do ethical business since 10 yrs and am thinking from a position of experience.
  
  Most people have (or recently enough had and will have) a job, and most people know a person or two with 10-15 years of experience in management positions who think they are thinking from a position of experience.
  
  Different professions and job responsibilities exist for a reason.
  
  The reason I dont present myself in a way that screams competence is because this is lemmy and we dont need this stuff.
  
  You did it here instead of continuing a pretty normal thread or leaving it be.
  
  I like spitballing ideas and push new projects for the benefit of the people.
  
  That is important, but almost everyone has been spitballing ideas and pushing new projects since they learned to speak.
  
  But feel free to suggest constructive things.
  
  Quoting myself:
  
  Getting back to logistics - one has to design a system of shared warehouses, transportation, mailing and delivery tasks, tracking, reporting on outcomes of every event, and all that should be even more abuse-resilient than the processes inside actual Amazon. You’ll have Byzantine problems in every interaction.
  
  “Shared” is the important part. Even without that one can fail logistics - see USSR, the biggest corporation to fail in history.
  
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  - haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Since this was another round of no additional input, I’ll repeat myself too:
    
    People have already suggested that. But thanks for participating.
    
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    rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Since this was another round of no additional input, I’ll repeat myself too:
    
    I don’t think so. I also can imagine you moved on to ethical business and suggesting ideas because you had personality conflicts where people actually do something.
    
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