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steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

It was not to compare ideologies but the end result of extremism and radicalization. Words become violent action and a willingness to forego peaceful change.

That said, someone just insulted me by calling me a Liberal so I dunno, feels kinda MAGA-y to me ;).

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Staines@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It feels kind of MAGA-y to you because you’re using the American definition of Liberal. Both the American Republican party and Democratic party are ideological liberals. Whom MAGA folk would call “liberal”, we just call “blue-MAGA”.

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brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
During slavery, being an abolitionist was a radical extremist position; does that mean abolitionists were like MAGA/nazis? During feudalism, being pro-democracy was a radical extremist position, does that mean that anti-monarchists were like MAGA/nazis. During the Nazi reign, being anti-Nazi was a radical extremist position, does that mean that anti-nazis were nazis?

Are you under the impression that MAGA people are the first and only people to disagree with liberals? Marxists have been doing that since long before Trump was born.

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- steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  No, those were not radical extremist positions. Anti-Nazi was the default position, it did not start small and grow. For Abolition, that depends on what region you’re referring to but in the US, it was not a radical position. Even prominent slaveholders admitted slavery was bad although it didn’t change their behavior.
  
  I only have the unfortunate experience of encountering MAGA types who revel in using the term as a pejorative. Regardless, hurling personal attacks is unpleasant no matter who’s doing it.
  
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  - brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Yes, they were radical extremists. Anti-Nazi most certainly was no the default position in Nazi Germany.
    
    You’re universalizing your own experience onto others. As someone who’s background isn’t Western, I loath westerners telling me that I have to abide by their Overton window or else I’m an ‘extremist’
    
    I only have the unfortunate experience of encountering MAGA types who revel in using the term as a pejorative.
    
    This is what I mean; there exists a huge amount of political thought outside of the extremely narrow, and from my perspective, extremist, USA political environment.
    
    hurling personal attacks is unpleasant no matter who’s doing it.
    
    I can guarantee you from repeated personal experience that political ‘moderates’ hurl personal attacks with the best of them.
    
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