Small caveat: the United States dropped two nuclear weapons to end a fascist dictatorship in Japan that ran a war of oppression against over a billion people. Including countless warcrimes and crimes against humanity that killed millions of people in occupied countries.
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ennemi@hexbear.net 1 year agoWell, we either ignore deaths or we don’t. The United States of America ran the largest slave trade in history and nearly wiped out the native population of an entire continent, nuked two cities, overthrew countless democracies, and bankrolled/trained fascist and/or religious fundamentalist militias all over the world. This is all historical fact.
But it also represents one of the strongest cultures in history, as well historical advancements in science, technology, civics, etc. Just like the USSR. Whereas the Nazis only represent industrialized genocide, eugenics and fascist oppression, the Soviet Union and the USA represent both the good and bad of humanity in extreme amounts. Their evils can be denounced just as much as their successes can be celebrated, and more usefully both can and should be studied as opposed to completely discarded on weak ideological principles. That’s why they’re both admissible in civil discussion.
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TheOtherwise@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Small caveat: the United States dropped two nuclear weapons to end a fascist dictatorship in Japan that ran a war of oppression against over a billion people. Including countless warcrimes and crimes against humanity that killed millions of people in occupied countries.
I think that point just reinforces your argument.
These bombs were at no point necessary to be used. The US murdered these people to show off a new weapon. I’m sorry, but this talking point is a product of how history as the general populace knows it having been shaped by US dominance. It has no actual basis in reality.
This is a perfect example of something that’s come up a few times here in this thread. People are saying ‘Oh, they’re so angry. They’re so angry.’ Well why is that? It’s because beliefs like these are so deeply ingrained within the culture of the US and the broader hegemonic core, and are so completely removed from reality, that it’s utterly tiresome being inundated by them day in and day out.
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Small caveat: the United States dropped two nuclear weapons to end a fascist dictatorship in Japan that ran a war of oppression against over a billion people. Including countless warcrimes and crimes against humanity that killed millions of people in occupied countries.
The soviet invasion of Manchuria which absolutely decimated the fascists army in less than a month is attributed by historians to be the far more likely cause of their surrender.
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The soviet combat performance was much less important than the fact that Russia had just broken their alliance with the incredibly war crimin’ Japanese Empire. Not exactly something that I would want to call out if I was on Team Red. Just sayin’.
MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Non-aggression pact =/= alliance. It was signed after 7 years of hostilities along the border and in the context of existential threats to both powers being prioritized.
This is literally just shit you can read on Wikipedia, a notoriously anti-communist source. Libs do be wildin’ out here with easily dunked claims.
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