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• BurnedDonutHole@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Nope! They made an example of because they didn’t know how to deal with internet crimes so they decided he will be the scapegoat for their failures even though they knew his so called crimes didn’t require such harsh punishment. They went after him so hard to make an example out of him to warn others. If you think they did it because of his beliefs you’re doing injustice to what he went through.

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  • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I would rather firmly disagree with you, youre doing a greater injustice to him by ignoring how the articles being distributed were part of his long held beliefs and civic activism. Attributing this solely to “not knowing how to deal with internet crimes” doesn’t really fit either - the Paypal 14, a cyber bullying case, the Morris worm, etc were all prior cases using the same act as a basis to charge him.

    Let’s be clear - he was a staunch and long term supporter of open access to information long before the incident at MIT. PACER is a good example of that, which had no charges brought against him.

    In terms of the prosecution, yes, that was a decision by the Mass AG. That decision would not appear to have anything to do with “not knowing”, and more to do with seeking to continue an overly broad interpretation of the computer fraud and abuse act. An interpretation that had been challenged by legal experts for years.

    Now into the specifics here - the Mass AG based the prosecution around Swartz having an intent to distribute the materials. This is the part that has to do with his beliefs. His previous public statements regarding open access to information were part of this intent to distribute alleged by the Mass AG. So yes, his beliefs absolutely played a role in his prosecution (see the Guerilla Open Access Manifesto by Swartz)

    Why it was such a harsh approach was based around, as mentioned above, the Mass AG looking to use this as an example of how others could be prosecuted, to push the limits of how the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act could be applied, opening up more options for the AG to be “tough on crime” (Carmen Ortiz, an Obama appointee who resigned when Trump was coming in).

    To note, Carmen Ortiz has been accused by judges of stretching evidence, providing gross exaggerations of events, having “unusual” prosecutions. She oversaw the arrest of someone who kinda sorta looked like a wanted suspect, she agreed in pleas to lesser sentences and leniency but would then seek harsh penalties, tried to take motel via civil forfeiture despite the owner not having been involved/identified as part of/charged with any crimes.

    TL;DR:

    His beliefs absolutely played a role, and the US AG in Mass, Carmen Ortiz, often went waaayyyy beyond to get the harshest punishments possible.

    So, I firmly disagree with your statement.

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    • BurnedDonutHole@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I respect your opinion and let me say that I agree that his beliefs played a role but he wasn’t punished harshly because of his beliefs. He was made an example not because of his beliefs but because the people in charge at the time wanted to show that they are in control. You feeling strongly about how the prosecution put together their remarks and how they used his own remarks against him I understand. (I’ll tell you that I’m a lawyer with over 20 years of experience you want to believe me or not is up to you.) But I can tell you if they were doing it just because of his beliefs they could’ve charged him for each and every copyrighted material he downloaded from the servers. Considering he downloaded gigabytes of material in mostly text format they could’ve went an charge him for each and everyone of those. Just by doing that they could have easily finish his life with thousands of years of prison sentence and charge him hundreds of millions in monetary damages. Instead they turned it into one big case. You can check the law and see if it’s possible or not. In the end let’s agree to disagree. I wish you well and I hope that he is in peace.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        but because the people in charge at the time wanted to show that they are in control.

        That is your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

        I would say his beliefs played a role in how prosecution handled it. I would say the AG was making a political play, she was on the lookout for something in the technology realm already.

        But I can tell you if they were doing it just because of his beliefs they could’ve charged him for each and every copyrighted material he downloaded from the servers.

        Regarding this bit, he had not distributed anything and was permitted access to JSTOR and those materials. They pushed intent and his own words. There would be no basis for a copyright claim without distribution as he had access to those materials.

        What they were hinging this on was his use of scripts making the access “unauthorized” by not using their interface directly. I don’t see any way a copyright claim would be possible.

        I’d say the only way he got such a harsh result was through the AGs abuse of the definitions of the computer fraud and abuse act, and the ignorance of the judiciary regarding most things technology.

        In the end let’s agree to disagree. I wish you well and I hope that he is in peace.

        Agreed, and I hope so as well.

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      • beejboytyson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Ya, I have to agree with you. Don’t wanna be at the fore front of and war.

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