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Props for staying calm throughout all this. The initial rush of excitement seems to be pretty much over, which means things out to mellow down on the timeline. I’m sure Hexbear can coexist with the fediverse the say way /r/cth coexisted with reddit, which is to say by showing up and ballin’ for Marx and pushing the boundaries of acceptability.

I can totally understand your strong feelings towards the USSR. I understand you’ve conceded that the hammer and sickle isn’t strictly soviet symbology and can represent other things, but I would like to ask you whether or not you would think of the “stars and stripes” or the “union jack” (or really most western symbology) as hate symbols given the centuries of pillaging, rape, genocide and dehumanization that they represent in many parts of the world.

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ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Just to add to the convversation about western symbols, I was nauseated to learn that in Iraq, the Beretta M9 pistol carried by Americans has become a symbol of summary execution, visual shorthand for being taken into an alley and canoed.

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- ennemi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Iraq which, famously, possessed no actual WMDs. But this time around western media can totally be trusted to report on US state enemies reliably, even though absolutely nobody was held accountable and nothing has changed.
  
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  - 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    And if you disagree with the State Department this time (despite the grand American tradition of lying to get into wars), you ignorant, you’re a useful idiot, you’re a bot, you must be getting paid, you must not know the first thing about this region I never thought about until it started to show up on the news.
    
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- uralsolo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is why the international symbol for getting someone who actually deserves is it the-doohickey
  
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- PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Source please
  
  This seems more whataboutism that is common from extreme ideologies.
  
  You do realize that the Tariq pistol was manufactured in Iraq, which was a licensed copy of the Beretta? This was the go-to sidearm of Saddam’s Ba’athist party, whom were fascist.
  
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  - Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    This seems more whataboutism that is common from extreme ideologies.
    
    I was a young fence-sitter like you once, you’ll grow out of it.
    
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  - AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Can you explain how bringing up unbidden something about US history is ‘whataboutism’ and responding to that by saying that the previous regime, who didn’t kill a million people over 10 years, was also bad is not “whataboutism”?
    
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  - ennemi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It’s never whataboutism to point out hypocrisy. Denounce in a way that’s consistent and not self serving, or don’t do it.
    
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  - Flinch@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    You do realize that the Tariq pistol was manufactured in Iraq, which was a licensed copy of the Beretta? This was the go-to sidearm of Saddam’s Ba’athist party, whom were fascist.
    
    Whataboutism.
    
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sunaurus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Thanks for the civil comment. I can for sure see how lots of western iconography (or, really, symbols of any nation) would bring up horrible memories in different parts of the world. It’s definitely really unfortunate, but I don’t think there are any countries on earth that have no horrible people and no horrible deeds in their past.

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SeducingCamel@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It’s funny seeing the quality of replies from hexbear users compared to the people here shitting on them, might be joining y’all

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- Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Come on over, we always have room for more!
  
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