Comment on Renewables supply 71% of Portugal’s electricity in 2024, led by solar

poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There always a grid cost and solar energy is always cheapest when there is more solar power. Additionally users of electricity largely want fixed prices not wholesale prices.

  So how do you expect people putting solar on their houses to pay fair share of, low energy value, grid costs, inertia and frequency control, higher prices at peak?

  I’m all for solar but there is no way solar producers should get prices at peak time when they producing at off peak time with high supply and getting free additional costs.

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You are missing the point. Feed-in was effectively forbidden in Portugal and even the brand new change in regulation is still a huge bureocratic barrier for minimal possible income (low double digit per month) that the typical home PV owner could realistically expect.

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• Mihies@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Not so high without an adequate storage.

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am talking about feed-in from home users, which would work largely without storage if it was allowed to feed the excess into the grid during the day (like it is posdible in most other EU countries).

    But due to bureocratic hurdles this is basically not allowed in Portugal and the thus required in-home batteries are largely unaffordable by the relatively low income households here.

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    • GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think that was the case before but changed last year. I know people who sell the excess during the day. Not sure if you are from Portugal but here is a link in Portuguese adene.pt/venda-do-excedente-no-autoconsumo-simpli…

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      • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thanks for the link. I’ll have a closer look at this.

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    • Mihies@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Where is even coming from when there is no sun?

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Portugal is so sunny that Lisbon is literally the city of Europe with the most hours of sunlight per year.

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      • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No sun in Portugal? Maybe in rainy Porto.

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