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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The difference between 4chan and Reddit is pretty small, and abuse certainly happens on both platforms. It’s pretty easy to swap out a pseudonym (I used to do it every 2-3 years on Reddit), so the difference between that and completely anonymous posts is pretty small.

  If you tie accounts to a persistent identity (e.g. Facebook), you have an opportunity to address abuse, but you open yourself up to even more tracking by the service and your government, which I think is worse.

  For me, tying online accounts to actual identity (e.g. government ids) is a no-go for me, so the abuse problem needs to be addressed another way. For lemmy, that’s centralized moderation (per community and instance). For a P2P service, that means users opting-in to moderation (e.g. something like a web of trust), which should prevent them from seeing abuse in the first place since they won’t see untrusted content.

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The difference between 4chan and Reddit is pretty small

    I’m sorry, but I sincerely doubt you’ve been on 4chan recently.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t see abuse in any of the pictures you posted.

      My point isn’t that 4chan and reddit are the same in every sense, just that the difference in abuse (specifically targeted abuse) isn’t all that different between completely anonymous and persistent pseudonymns.

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      • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I think it’s pretty well studied that pseudonyms are much better for human interaction than true anonymity. I’m not a social scientist though so I don’t have the references offhand.

        It can be fun to be anonymous but there’s a reason Yikyak shutdown, 4chan, 8chan are how they are, etc. they just don’t tend to work well long term.

        With pseudonyms ban evasion is possible but registering an account is at least some friction deterring some bad behavior, and mods have more tools. And on the other side you do have some reputation building that occurs when people have stable usernames.

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