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Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoWould you say the same thing about people who drive with or without driver’s licenses? Or practice medicine with or without board certification?
A person’s legal existence is not the same as someone practicing without a license. You know that.
The Biden Administration invited people to flood to the country under a revised asylum system that’s created a six year long backlog of asylum cases. There is no reason that refugees from every other nation on earth should go to the US specifically or during this time period other than the President throwing open the doors to them.
We are in agreement that the way Immigration has been handled under Biden has been absolutely terrible. The process to legalization is unnecessarily long and results in this backlog, which only contributes to illegal immigration and increasing costs to process
That starts by enforcing the law and treating people who employ illegal immigrants as criminals themselves. But giving amnesty to everyone who breaks the law only incentivizes people to continue breaking the law. Thus, their illicit employees need to be removed, at least for the time being.
Totally agree that companies that exploit illegal immigrants should be prosecuted.
Illegal immigrants are not illegal because they want to be. The issue is with the legalization process, which we’ve touched on already. Deportation does not solve anything, legalization does. For anyone who does crimes, it’s still more affordable to incarcerate than deport but that’s a very small fraction of immigrants that we’re talking about here.
Define “concentration camp.” They aren’t being rounded up to do forced labor and be executed like in Nazi Germany. Also, is Obama a fascist?
The links I provided have more information. We’re talking about millions of people. I’m certainly against Obama’s cages, it’s completely draconic at the very least if not fascist in some respect.
An economy that would be crippled if slavery was abolished deserves to be crippled. These jobs should go to legal immigrants and citizens
Yes, and the way to do that is through legalization, not deportation.
Are legal immigrants making these contributions, or are illegal immigrants doing so? And if asylum seekers are contributing so much to local economies, then why is NYC sounding the alarm on how costly the current system is to the city? They’re slated to spend $12 billion on the problem over the next three years. Furthermore, Congress has found the current policies have cost over $150 billion, with some estimates going as high as $400 billion. We can’t sustain that kind of spending.
Both, and the sources I provided go into it for both legal and illegal immigrants. That wasn’t congress, that was The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) which is an anti-immigration nonprofit with many ties to white Supremacists and it’s findings are completely flawed the tax burden is closer to $3.3 to 15.6 billion, over a magnitude less than the revenue they help provide. The sources I provided previously go into that.
Also, illegal immigrants categorically do bring in crime, by immigrating illegally
It’s categorically a crime because that’s the entire point of having a two-tier immigration system which I know you don’t agree with. It’s as much as a crime as jaywalking is. It’s an unjust law that only perpetuates the two-tier immigration system. Again, legalization is the way to solve that, not deportation. Legalization would also increase the amount of taxes they would have to pay, like regular citizens.
I don’t care about “white nativism.” I care about the law, our ability to sustain ourselves as a nation, and with limiting security concerns related to bringing in millions of people whose identities can barely be verified at all. None of this has to do with the color of anyone’s skin.
Then I think you’d genuinely find those sources I linked interesting. I’m not attributing the racism to you, but mass deportations are rooted in racism and white nativism and why that connection exists is important to recognize.
The issue isn’t completely cut and dry. Even among people do support legalizing illegal immigrants, almost everyone insists on a background check and over half would require them to have a job
Even within the polls where deportations have majority support, in the same poll, there is much more support for legalization. That contradiction is due to the Biden admin having no counter message against the right-wing framing of the issue since the Dreamers under the Obama campaign
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the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I know. It isn’t about existence. It’s about doing things through the appropriate legal channels. The entire world isn’t entitled to live in the US, just like the entire population isn’t entitled to drive on public roads or practice medicine.
Not only that, but there was a skyrocket of asylum seekers during this administration. They’ve combined to create a system in which people are used as balls in a shell game while their asylum cases are pending. This never should have happened in the first place.
The solution to millions of people breaking the law is not to get rid of the law. Reform the process? Absolutely. But the government saying “We don’t care that you broke the law” for years got us to where we are now. Once our systems aren’t under such severe strain any longer, then we can make clearer decisions about who to let in.
We certainly should make the facilities humane, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t exist. People aren’t being put there to be worked to death or exterminated. It isn’t fascist any more than normal prisons are.
Legalization wouldn’t necessarily end their systematic abuse. It would, however, encourage illicit employers to continue seeking new immigrant employees and disregard citizens in the process. That’s not good for anyone other than the people running these businesses.
That Cato Institute study you linked is from 2017. Even granting it as-is, sanctuary cities like New York are still struggling to care for asylum seekers taking their word seriously. NYC was left spending $4.24 billion to care for asylum seekers compared to the $3.16 billion the Biden administration awarded to homeless programs across the country. Why is one city spending more on a problem that Biden created than Biden is on a problem that’s existed for decades? It’s likely that the impact of immigration and asylum seeking falls somewhere between the Cato Institute’s numbers and FAIR’s.
It doesn’t help that the Biden admin is unpopular in general, as is the media that’s been running its cover for the last four years. Even if the admin had a response, barely anyone would have listened. As far as I’m concerned, they deserved to lose that trust.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Illegal immigration is a symptom of a broken legal immigration system. This is by design by both Republican and Democratic Administrations for decades for the benefit of corporations. Illegal immigrants do not desire to be here illegally. If they were able to come through legal channels, they would, but that’s not possible with our current legal channels.
It shouldn’t, but it’s intentional to perpetuate the two-tier immigration system for cheap labor. We need an expedient system to process everyone properly without denying them entry.
You’re acting as if these people are breaking the law intentionally, instead of the law being unjust and used to exploit these people because of their desperate circumstances. Reforming the response from deportation to processing is entirely my point. And the process for legal processing needs reform too, as I mentioned before. The strain it’s under is deliberate and by design, it’s not an accident.
There is no ethical way to have concentration camps. Nor is there any legitimate reason to have them. US prisons literally use slave labor, so that’s not really helping your point.
Legalization would give them the same worker rights that regular Citizens have. Not to say US citizens aren’t systematically abused by corporations either, but that illegal immigrants are abused even more.
Because neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party care about people anymore than they can be used for exploitation by corporations to increase profits. Homelessness is a systemic issues that’s due to the privatization of housing, pricing millions of people out of affording the basic necessity that is shelter. Instead of helping them with Housing First, the US criminalizes homeless and exploits them through the prison system.
The two-tier immigration system is far more profitable, by magnitudes more than the costs to accommodate them.
Definitely. Both parties work at the behest of the donor class, of capitalist owners who’s only interest is accumulating more capital by any means. Leeja Miller has a good video on why right-wing populism scapegoats immigrants.