Comment on "Border Czar" Tom Homan unveils new deportation plan

CubitOom@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Strictly speaking, they’re giving the citizens the choice to go with their deported families, or stay here without them. That’s not deportation, deportation is forced.

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  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Ass deportations are fascist. Like, wtf. You’re here defending the deportation of entire families with that bullshit. News flash, it’s still ETHNIC CLEANSING

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    • the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      How is enforcing a completely reasonable law ethnic cleansing? Do you not believe in borders?

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      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Explain how are mass deportations are reasonable

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    • Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      That’s not how any of that works. giphy.com/…/latenightseth-seth-meyers-lnsm-3o6fJf…

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      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yes, it is.

        Donald Trump campaigned on the promise of mass deportations, and on Monday, he said that his administration would use the U.S. military to carry out this expulsion of millions of people, many of whom have lived in America for years or even decades.

        theintercept.com/…/trump-deportation-plan-militar…

        The Republican National Convention hit rock bottom on its third day in Milwaukee, Wis., on July 17, with a sea of signs calling for “Mass Deportation Now.” If former president Donald Trump is elected for a second term, he and his advisers promise to remove from the U.S., via forced expulsions and deportation camps, as many as 20 million people—a number larger than the country’s current estimated population of undocumented residents. Put into effect, this scheme would devolve quickly into a vast 21st-century version of concentration camps, with predictably brutal results.

        scientificamerican.com/…/trumps-massive-deportati…

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    • Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      But it’s not actually ethnic cleansing since they are arriving in a place that they have no actual claim on…?

      We are not taking a part of their rightfully held land and removing them from it so Anglos can go settle there.

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      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Regardless of how long they’ve been there, it’s still uprooting millions of people. It’s by definition ethnic cleansing. Uprooting the hundreds of thousands of Israeli settlers in the West Bank would also be ethnic cleansing and unacceptable. That’s not a good solution in any respect other than cruelty

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• Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  This kind of reminds me of when anti-deportation activists took (staged?) pictures of wives/children greeting their fathers across the border fence, and someone had pointed out that the policy never actually broke up families…

  What broke up families is people deciding for themselves that living in the USA was worth more than living with their father.

  I would also point out: they have every right to return when they are 18, which is a hell of a massive right that is completely unearned - most nations do not have any form of birth right citizenship, and I think they are all generally ones in which nobody is particularly eager to obtain their rights of citizenship.

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  • CubitOom@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Having a restricted form of birthright citizenship is not the same as having no form of it. However there are more countries then I thought that do not have it at all.

    At present, 33 countries in the world (and two territories) have unrestricted birthright citizenship, also known as jus soli, and another 32 nations have some form of restricted birthright citizenship

    worldpopulationreview.com/…/countries-with-birthr…

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    • Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Right, it would make sense to have a restricted form, if by that it was meant that the non-citizens giving birth have to have a proper, legal status like permanent residency or some other form of long-term residency.

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