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dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 week agoI appreciate the response as it was quite confusing what was going on.
I will say I find it interesting you are calling my use of mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world as not being open/the problem, but isn’t the isolation (setting as private) infosec.pub more of a walled-garden and less open? I can freely share the link of the community post I made.
I’ve been on Lemmy a while now. Moved here during the first great migration (aka API-gate), and I imagine mildlyinfuriating@thelemmy.club didn’t exist when I subscribed to lemmy.worlds community or maybe there were only 3 people in it. Surely the expectation is not to keep monitoring all my communities and check if a better version of said community pops up. Also, as an end user that is on Lemmy because I want a non techbro place to read news topics/share crap going on when appropriate, like yesterday this type of stuff explains very clearly why Lemmy is and will continue to be a ghost town in comparison. The barrier to entry/understanding is up there which is not welcoming imho.
I picked infosec.pub as a ‘non lemmy.world’ instance because the growing pains of the migration influx and most users signing up there. I thought it made sense to join somewhere outside the main instances, and being in IT / dealing with infosec in my life I thought “that makes sense”.
I get this is a big boy world and I have blocked instances that do not align with my opinions and after reading the attached thread, protecting the instance is top priority so I understand the temporary use of private instance, but that was 4mo ago now.
Again, as an end user not playing politics of instances/communities (or trying not to) it’s hard to keep up. I did search before posting but did not use the search term ‘anonymous’ I was focused on terms like ‘login’ or ‘access’ and the like and missed anonymous and that post. I was in fact not a member of this community until I was searching to figure out why my post was not directly sharable using the icons within my app/browser. If it’s appropriate to share the community links, why does the link button not list that? OR why is there an option in the share to share instance link or community link? This, is of course a rhetorical question I don’t expect you to have that answer but it is yet another ‘barrier to entry’ that even after 3 years is biting me.
daveyOsborn@infosec.pub 1 week ago
Infosec.pub is not making a value judgement that permanently discriminates against demographics of people. It’s the difference between an oppressive US corporation arbitrarily systemically singling out groups for marginalisation to save a buck for the corporate as it bullies over 30% of the world’s web territory, and a small charitable volunteer instance with limited resources doing what is necessary to protect itself from an onslaught of attacks.
Of course. You can share Facebook links too. And those who are in the excluded groups will just waste their time on an unusable link. If you are going to be a pragmatist and not give shit about politics, it’s unclear why you are in the fedi as opposed to Twitter and Facebook.
Subscribing is about /reading/, not /writing/. When deciding where to post, I search communities every time because it’s a changing landscape with new communities emerging daily. Most folks would do that by visiting lemmyverse.net which happens to have a filter you can use to filter out Cloudflare instances.
I personally use a script instead which queries on lemmyverse’s dataset. If I were to make a post as you did, I would search the terms:
infuri shitif asshol dark%pattern(each token is an SQL “like” query surrounded with wildcards). So that gives:🏰zerobytes.monster🌩|amitheasshole “Am I the Asshole?” 🏰zerobytes.monster🌩|assholegonewild “Gone Wild; Asshole Style” 🏰zerobytes.monster🌩|mildlyinfuriating “jukmifgguggh” 🏰pawb.social🌩|AITA “Am I The Asshole?”
🏰lemmynsfw.com🌩|asshole “Asshole”
🏰lemmynsfw.com🌩|assholebehindthong “Asshole Behind Thong”
🏰lemmynsfw.com🌩|godasshole “GodAsshole”
🏰lemmynsfw.com🌩|pulsatingasshole “Pulsating Assholes”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|actually_infuriating “Actually Infuriating”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|aitah “AmITheAsshole”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|amitheasshole “Am I the Asshole”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|asshole “asshole”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|assholebehindthong “Asshole Behind Thong”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|assholedesign “AssholeDesign”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|assholegonewild “Asshole Gone Wild”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|assholegw “Asshole Gone Wild”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|bassholes “bassholes”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|darkpatterns “darkpatterns”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|godasshole “godasshole”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|mildlyinfuriating “Mildly Infuriating”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|mildyinfuriating “mildy infuriating”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|notinfuriating “Not Infuriating”
🏰lemmy.world🌩|qualia “Qualia: Living Ad-Free and Breaking Away from Dark Patterns, Hidden Fees, and More”
🏰lemmit.online🌩|AmItheAsshole “Am I the Asshole?”
🏰lemm.ee🌩|amitheasshole
🏰sh.itjust.works🌩|amitheasshole
🏰sh.itjust.works🌩|furiouslyinfuriating
↑ Kingdoms under the imperial Cloudflare empire ↑
⚠lemmy.ml/c/aita “Am I the Asshole?”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/assholedesign “Asshole Design”
⚠lemmy.ml/c/mildlyinfuriating “Mildly Infuriating”
⚠lemmy.ca/c/amitheasshole “AITAH?”
🥧fedinsfw.app/gaping_assholes “Gape”
🗽☯thelemmy.club/c/Mildlyinfuriating (39/0) “Mildlyinfuriating”
🗽☯discuss.tchncs.de/c/amitheasshole (125/1) “Am I the Asshole? ”
🗽☯sopuli.xyz/c/enshitification (40/2) “enshitification (not only enshittification)”
🗽☯infosec.pub/c/assholedesign_web (92/5) “Asshole Design (web edition)”
🗽☯slrpnk.net/c/asshole_crappy_design (49/12) “Asshole Design and Crappy Design”
🗽☯slrpnk.net/c/enshitification (942/710) “Enshittification”
It lists the shitty Cloudflare places first because those are the least interesting and tend to scroll off the terminal screen. Then it lists non-CF nodes that are still centralised due to their sheer disproportionate size which is indicated with a “⚠”. The “🥧” means piefed (which the db unfortunately has no Cloudflare flags for, thus ethics is a crapshoot and needs a deeper look). Finally, it lists known open free world places using “🗽☯” to indicate freedom and balance. The paranthesis indicate (subscriber count / active users in a month) to give an idea of activity. Those who realise this decision is inherently political and who want to promote an open free world would choose one of the last 6 in the list. I will sometimes choose the /least/ active among them and then crosspost from there so subscribers in the more active groups can see that another interesting group exists – thus encouraging subscriptions that help improve the balance. Of course in the case at hand, we know infosec.pub is closed as it is under attack, so it would not be a good link to share.
You can of course choose to be low-tech if you want, but you should know your bubble will be shaped by others on your node. The in-app search on the instance is limited in scope to content and communities based on subscriptions of others on your node.
If you want to expand your bubble help shape it, it’s useful to grok lemmyverse. I block Cloudflare nodes in my settings and I subscribe only to free world communities (“🗽☯”) to do my part in shaping the bubble for a more balanced decentralised space with minimal boot-licking.
Lemmy is not a single town. It’s a vast collection of many towns and a good number of those towns are ghost towns. Network effect is a global problem that Lemmy /tried/ and failed to correct. The devs simply assumed that having a federation of instances would automatically counter network effect. There are several oversights and defects in the software which actually exacerbate network effect.
Lemmy certainly needs to improve but I doubt it will make much headway. It’s more likely that a different software package will emerge one day that fends off walled gardens and network effect.
The dumb users pile onto the Cloudflare nodes. I doubt the tech is too over their heads to give a bad UX. The refined sophisticated users avoid the centralised instances and their understanding improves. The fact that there is more to learn does not create a “barrier to entry” AFAICT. You can get started and function without understanding the evils of Cloudflare.