Comment on Zelensky says wants to end war by diplomacy next year
Valmond@lemmy.world 23 hours agoYou seem to answer a question I didn’t ask.
No one thinks Trump will arm Russia lol. Neither that the EU must buy american weapons to arm Ukraine, we have a military industry and the budget to roll over putin if we have the political will to do so all by ourselves.
It seriously feels like this is some chatgpt answer.
WoahWoah@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
No one thinks Trump will arm Russia? Perhaps you forget how fond of Putin he and much of the party in power in the US is.
And no one said the EU will need to buy American arms. What I said is, if Trump decides to stop arming Ukraine and demands they end the war, and the EU decides to compensate Ukraine for what is no longer being provided by the United States, it’s quite possible Trump will withdraw the US from NATO. He’s already looking for an excuse.
If you think you can build a military coalition with 70% of the spend suddenly stopping, by all means. What is more likely, as I said, is the withdrawal of the US from NATO would dramatically hamper its effective strength as a deterrent in the region. You would then need to rely on individual member states to attempt to deter or defend from Russian aggression.
The US is a unified, centralized military with a unified, centralized command structure across all branches that allocates 4x the amount of spending to its military than the entire EU combined. The EU is a somewhat collaborative collection of nations with widely variant defense policies. Because of that, the EU channels the majority of its defense strategy through NATO, within which the US plays an absolutely irrefutable dominant role.
The idea that the EU could unilaterally “roll over” Russia if the US leaves NATO is unlikely, and extremely unlikely if it causes the US to start providing military support to Russia. That goes to my final point, which is, if you think you’re right, go ahead and try and let’s see how it goes. Fortunately, the leaders of the member countries in NATO are generally not as ignorant as you are, so the likely outcome here is if Trump stops helping Ukraine and tells them to end the war, then Ukraine will end up ceding territory and the war will “end.”
To be clear, none of these are things that I think are good. But the idea that the EU will just “go it alone” flies in the face of political and military realities.
Valmond@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Wow, armchair generals unite.
I mean I know that I don’t know enough but like we can always speculate with what we know right? No need to do that any longer because we have you here telling us how trump will act.
WoahWoah@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Why are you so defensive about someone discussing the topic of this thread?
Valmond@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Because you don’t discuss, you’re just doing word salad.
I didn’t bring up what you are talking about either, and who said it should be about plattitudes?
Dude.