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Comment on Norwegian government to set 15-year age limit for using social media

Interesting. Not going to debate much further with you, but I’m always a bit envious when I run into other parents who claim they have 100% control over their kids. I don’t. My child is grown now, but I absolutely did not. They were their own person, that no matter how much I talked to them had their own life and struggles.

And prohibition does work in some cases. See, cigarettes. Smoking has been in the fall for a long time especially among the young.

But I’m glad your kid will never have any problems ever and if they do that you admit it could have been solved by you talking to them.

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EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I was under the impression that kids don’t smoke anymore because it is not trendy like it was in my parents’ times. But they do drink alcohol. And especially they do vape.

Interesting how in parents’ times, you did not have to be 18 to buy alcohol… But juvenile alcoholism is a much bigger problem now. As if there is some bigger underlying reason…

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drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I’m really confused by this perspective and your comparsion to cigarettes is completely inadequette — you can’t compare substances to social constructs.

If parents can’t influence their kids how is goverment powered prohibition supposed to do that?

List one social construct that is successfully prohibited by a governing body and actually provides societal value. The only thing comes to mind is porn and take a look how fucking twisted countries where porn is supressed are. This is some north korea level of stupidity.

This law is unprecedented and usually I’d say it should be approached with great care but clearly it’s just populist virtue signaling because it’s simply stupid and is backed by zero scientific or intelectual basis.

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- theherk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I agree that it is unprecedented and should be handled thoughtfully. Nevertheless a corporate website is not a social construct. There is no talk of banning socialization. Maybe you thought they meant social networks in the traditional sense (social group connections) but they are referring to websites. So cigarettes is a perfectly suitable analogy, which is why I can understand your dismissal.
  
  So let me just clarify. Norwegian parents are bad, even though kids here are doing pretty well when compared globally. Regulating how young people interact with the world never works and is bad. So, underage drinking should be allowed, smoking, driving at 8, no age of consent? And parents can just talk to their kids to fix all the problems that happen, including psychological manipulation for financial gain? And anybody that has issues or is taken advantage of just has bad parents? Those who think society has a role to play are just virtue signaling?
  
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  - drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Where are you getting “corporate website”? when it would affect all social media websites including Lemmy and Mastodon or your moms blog comments.
    
    The idea of online social exchange of opinions or experiences is absolutely a social construct. We literally didn’t have this and now it’s part of every single person’s life in some shape. How can you just prohibit that? Imagine prohibiting phone calls lol it’s incredibly stupid.
    
    Again you compare this to substances and driving? You can’t be serious here? If you can’t even understand this issue then you shouldn’t be parenting let alone tell other people how to.
    
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    theherk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It could affect those things. But like I agreed with before, it should be handled carefully and this is a big reason. I distinguish simply between Facebook for example and ma’s blog. One tries to make money by gathering data and targeting advertising to people intentionally addicted to a platform. The other is, you know… a blog.
    
    If the law outlawed the online exchange of ideas, I too would be among its biggest opponents but that is probably a strawman.
    
    As far as me parenting? Sure. With the benefit of hindsight, I’m not sure I was fit either, but I did my best.
    
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0x0@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

And prohibition does work in some cases. See, cigarettes. Smoking has been in the fall for a long time especially among the young.

Prohibition only feeds black markets.

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- TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Except it doesn’t, like with their smoking example.
  
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  - EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I have evidence in form of drinking classmates. Moderately so in my school because it was cultured, but classmates told it was much worse in their previous schools. I guess it largely comes from the families.
    
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    TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    An anecdote is not evidence. Do you have evidence?
    
    My anecdote is that I’ve never even heard of children buying moonshine once.
    
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