Comment on X's idiocy is doing wonders for Bluesky.

• ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Relay (backend albeit rumored to be expensive)

  Not even rumored, so much as explicitly expected.

  The federation architecture allows anyone to host a Relay, though it’s a fairly resource-demanding service. In all likelihood, there may be a few large full-network providers, and then a long tail of partial-network providers.

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  • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This doesn’t seem to be that big an issue as PDS’s can just directly communicate with one-another like how ActivityPub works.

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    • ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’re supposed to be able to, true, but I’ve not come across any examples of that in action yet. If you know of any I’d be interested in seeing them, as I’ve been trying to keep up with AuthTransfer’s developments.

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      • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Isn’t that what Whitewind is doing?

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• fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Isn’t the only thing that really matters decentralised control?

  Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there’s a single point of control for the brand.

  If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says “of we’re not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we’re doing” everyone will still be on bluesky.

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  • Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there’s a single point of control for the brand.

    You’d need to expand on this more for me to understand you. Yes there’s a single point of control from a moderation standpoint (labeler), as there is on Lemmy instances. But anyone can host their own ATProto relays and the Bluesky relay will federate with each other automatically federate.

    If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says “of we’re not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we’re doing” everyone will still be on bluesky.

    Not necessarily because the accounts are atProto accounts and you can migrate to another platform(albeit another doesn’t exist yet) As far as the Bluesky app goes it really just shows you atProto posts and hosts your data (similar to Lemmy instances) they as an entity just also maintain the OSS backend firehouse crawler and more.

    I really think a lot of people have this perspective that it’s not decentralized just because it truly is a lot more complicated due to there being like 5 different moving pieces of decentralization (PDS, Relay, Appview, tbd labeler, algorithm) and they do a great job at obscuring it for regular users which is a great thing. And nobody has really tinkered around and set-up any sites or integration with it yet. I’m personally trying to get a mastodon two way mastodon integration setup as it’s possible but nobody has done a solid implementation (just somewhat gnarly bridges between protocols)

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    • Backlog3231@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tl;Dr it isn’t decentralized.

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      • Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you can build or selfhost your own of the following to read and push back to all of the atProto protocol:

        • App
        • Backend Relay
        • Moderation
        • Algorithm

        And you still say that’s not decentralized I’m not sure what you’re looking for nor what your definition of decentralization is.

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    • fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh sure ok. Silly me. I can’t wait to be embraced by the utopia of open standards bluesky is going to inspire.

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