The 6000 series from AMD were so great because they picked the correct process node. Nvidia went with the far inferior Samsung 8nm node over TSMCs 7. Yet Nvidia still kept up with AMD in most areas (ignoring ray tracing).
Even the disastrous GTX 480 outsold ATI/AMD’s cards in most markets.
The “disastrous” Fermi cards were also compute monsters. Even after the 600 series came out people were buying the 500 series over them because they performed so much better for the money. Instead of picking up a Kepler Quadra card in order to get double precision you could get a regular ass GTX 580 and do the same thing.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Yup, it’s the classic name-brand tax. That, and Nvidia also wins on features, like RTX and AI/compute.
But most people don’t actually use those features, so most people seem to be buying Nvidia due to brand recognition. AMD has dethroned Intel on performance and price, yet somehow Intel remains dominant on consumer PCs, though the lead is a lot smaller than before.
If AMD wants to take over Nvidia, they’ll need consistently faster GPUs and lower prices with no compromises on features. They’d have to invest a ton to get there, and even then Nvidia would probably sell better than AMD on name recognition alone. Screw that! It makes far more sense for them to stay competitive and suck up a bunch of the mid-range market and transition the low-end market to APUs. Intel can play at the low-mid range markets, and AMD will slot themselves as a bit better than Intel, and a better value than Nvidia.
That said, I think AMD needs to go harder on the datacenter for compute, because that’s where the real money is, and it’s all going to Nvidia. If they can leverage their processors to provide a better overall solution for datacenter compute, they could translate that into prosumer compute devices. High end gaming is cool, but it’s not nearly as lucrative as datacenter.
pycorax@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They don’t need to go with ARM. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the x86 instruction set that prevents them from making low power processors, it’s just that it doesn’t make sense for them to build an architecture for that market since the margins for servers are much higher. Even then, the Z1 Extreme got pretty close to Apple’s M2 processors.
Lunar Lake has also shown that x86 can match or beat Qualcomm’s ARM chips while maintaining full compatibility with all x86 applications.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Hence ARM. ARM already has designs for low power, high performance chips for smaller devices like laptops. Intel is chasing that market, and AMD could easily get a foot in the door by slapping their label on some designs, perhaps with a few tweaks (might be cool to integrate their graphics cores?).