Comment on Proposal to create a collective to own the topic-based Lemmy instances

infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• Blaze@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  If a moderator is from a different instance, can they effectively moderate? So isn’t it a problem if all moderators would be from different instances?

  Reports are still not federated

  github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744

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• rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  If a moderator is from a different instance, can they effectively moderate?

  Yes, I haven’t had any issue moderating things from communick.news, even on communities that are not here.

  But nowadays with Lemmy Explorer and with multiple community promo communities I think it’s not really hard to find the topics you are interested in.

  This approach does not address two issues that would be resolved by separating “community instances” from “people instances”:

  1. Centralization of communities around the big instances, creating a “too big to fail” scenario. Last I checked, more than half of the top 100 communities are on LW.
  2. Political/Ideological differences among larger instances causing needless fragmentation of the communities. E.g, there were discussions before about moving communities from .ml because some people didn’t want to be associated with the Lemmy devs. Some were in favor, some were against. By having the communities on neutral ground, not only this whole issue is sidestepped, it also makes it easier for both sides of the table to be able to join one single community and make the overall fediverse stronger.

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  • Blaze@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yes, I haven’t had any issue moderating things from communick.news, even on communities that are not here.

    Reports still do not federate, that’s the main issue with federated moderation

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    • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Pinning threads is buggy across instances.

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      • Blaze@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Also

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  • infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I don’t like this kind of community/user instance because 2 instances have to deal with the same problem. E.g. a rogue user can troll on most community instances until they are banned by their user instance.

    The instance fragmentatios is not as big issue as it’s quite easy to create new accounts. There was a thread about this some days ago here, I also use different accounts on different instances for different topics.

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I understand your concerns with moderation, but I don’t see how what I am proposing would make things more difficult?

      What would stop a troll to create different accounts on all the other different instances, or create another account whenever they get banned?

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      • infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        My recommendations would be something like this: (I’m just a random user, so it’s just my point of view)

        • Shut down the fully inactive instances. Noone will even even notice it
        • Merge the semi active communities to a handful of instances, like sports and technology… . I’ve seen active communities move instances, it would be possible, take a look how !europe@feddit.de migrated to !europe@feddit.org. Give enough time for subscribers to notice and subscribe to the new one.
        • Allow registration of moderators on these instances, so they can work around the current limitations of moderation tools. Maybe an invite only solution or something like this.
        • You could find help more easily if you look for admins for 3-4 instances instead of for 18 instances.

        This would be useful for you and other admins, because you would have to admin much less number of instances. They would be still considered small instances, compared to big one, so you still not at the “too big to fail” level. For users it would help community discovery, there are overlap between followers of similar topics, e.g. I have friends who follow both European football and NBA at the same time, I read both selfhosting related topics and about general tech support, etc…

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• Object@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I would assume the “rendezvous” instance would collect all posts from all communities it is subscribed to, and show them to the users as if it came from a single instance. So moderation would be limited to the moderators of the actual instance behind it.

  The explorer makes it easier to discover them, but would be even better if that’s automated.

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  • rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    “rendezvous instances” is a perfect term for them…

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