Comment on The Extreme Cost of Training AI Models.

mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Unless they’re finding exciting new and efficient ways to generate electricity, I imagine its a linear comparison. Maybe some are worse than others. I know Grok’s datacenter in Mississippi is relying exclusively on portable gas powered electric generators that are wrecking having on the local environment.

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  • downhomechunk@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Gas like natural gas? Or gas like gasoline? I’m sure it’s the former, but I take nothing for granted anymore.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      npr.org/…/elon-musk-ai-xai-supercomputer-memphis-…

      Methane gas engines

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      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Methane gas isn’t a fossil fuel though, and I believe it’s actually better for the environment to burn it than simply release it, at least as far as global warming goes.

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  • mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I didn’t know that; thanks for sharing.

    (BTW, I think you meant wreaking havoc.)

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      All my misspellings are part of my charm.

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  • linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Maybe this is the push we need to switch to nuclear. The attack is good it just needs somebody with deeper pockets than coal/gas to lobby it.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Microsoft is trying to restart Three Mile Island. But that’s a very old facility. I don’t see too much interest in building new ones.

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      • linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Kind of. Microsoft is offering to buy the electricity and put jobs and data centers nearby, the state is reactivating the site.

        If more AI companies dedicate to buying vast amounts of electricity, there’s money and jobs in it

        But if they eye companies start making concentrated demand, It won’t people with deep pockets long to figure out how to turn up some small scale high output plants.

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  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Honestly you can thank decades of anti-nuclear lobbying

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      More the plunge in O&G prices during the 1980s. Coal, oil, and natural gas got incredibly cheap under Reagan after the US cut sweetheart deals with the Saudis. Nuclear has huge upfront development costs, while oil, gas, and coal are very cheap to start up and run incredibly high margins.

      Lobbying and activism had very little impact, as evidenced by the campaigns against coal waste and gas flaring and strip mining that all fell flat.

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• Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I want to see what the long term economic cost was after they fired tens of thousands of tech workers hoping to replace us with AI. It feels like workers are always the ones who suffer the most under capitalism.

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  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It depends if they fire them and AI can’t actually do the job, then it would suck.

    If they are fired and the ai can do it, then it’s great, it’s like having that many new people.

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  • linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They’ll fire more than that when the AI bubble busts and they stop pushing so hard into that development as it stagnates.

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• interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Assume it is equivalent to burning 200 million $ of gasoline

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