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• postmeridiem@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They’re Chinese. They’re from the Republic of China.

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• eatstorming@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Taiwanese people are ethnically Chinese.

  That said, I don’t have a dog in that fight and don’t care one way or another whether Taiwan is considered part of China or a separate country.

  You seem offended by that for some reason, so my last reply to you is: I first said Asian/Chinese. I wasn’t implying any political innuendo into the matter, I was merely referencing common Asian practices that I know are true in Taiwan as well as mainland China. Factories are factories, be it in mainland China, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Africa or anywhere else. Stop trying to read offense where there isn’t.

  And have a nice day.

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  • Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They are “ethnically chinese” in the same way that Americans are “ethnically british”.

    Except, no, that doesn’t work. Because there are a lot of different peoples in the US. Well, there are also Uyghurs in china… for the time being. So I guess that doesn’t work either.

    But that is the thing about dog whistles. They fall apart under a modicum of scrutiny. Really, all they do is make people even dumber than the folk spewing them feel warm and fuzzy. So… probably not good for your social credit score that you are acknowledging how fucking stupid Xinnie the Pooh and the rest of his CCP goons are.

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    • eatstorming@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      At this point it is crystal clear that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, but I’ll potentially waste some more time to type information that I believe are the most important to rebate your most wrong/insane claims.

      First, you seem focused on Taiwan’s recent history (perhaps influenced by what you’ve seen regarding Hong Kong since 2019?), but Taiwan’s history is actually a lot longer than that. You can use this Wikipedia link as reference going forward if you at all plan on stopping being a non-sense-spewing piece of trash, but considering how that was just 1 Google search away from you and you still didn’t manage to do it, I don’t have hope for it.

      Taiwan, much like the vast majority of East Asia (if not all of Asia) is not as diverse as the US, so your bullshit about Taiwan being ethnically Chinese is the same as the US being ethnically British is a great sign of you being completely clueless about what the hell you’re talking about.

      Over 90% of its population is reported as Han Chinese by its own fucking government, so it is clear that there is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying that Taiwanese people are ethnically Chinese, while it is completely wrong for you to compare that statement to the bullshit that Americans are ethnically British. There are Americans who are, but that’s only one of the many minorities in that country. Meanwhile, 90%+ of Taiwanese people are Han Chinese, so please stop your nonsense.

      Second, another useful link for you. Go read it. I don’t claim to be any sort of expert in Chinese/Taiwanese history, but I know enough to not state trash like you have been. Taiwan as we know it today is vastly the result of mainland Chinese people migrating to the island over political situations that happened less than 100 years ago. This fact adds even more credence to the point of Taiwanese people being ethnically Chinese.

      And finally, as others have already told you, Taiwan calls itself Republic of China.

      I hope you learn how to find answers to your confused mind before you speak and especially, before you attack others due to your own ignorance.

      You have a nice life.

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      • Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you think you are on reddit and the pinnacle of all wit and intelligence is “well ackshually”

        And I’ll just sum it up for you:

        1. That “political situations that happened less than 100 years ago”. That was the Xinhai Revolution. It was a violent uprising that led to the death of a lot of “noble families”. Which… I am not going to say if I have many problems with that in spirt. But it was led to ongoing civil war and eventually the rise of the Chinese Communist Party which very much is something I have MANY problems with. And many of the people who fled to Taiwan as a result of that were fleeing ethnic cleansing and purges.
        2. Speaking of ethnic cleansing. In all this talk of how Taiwan is “ethnically Chinese” as a dog whistle, it is kind of funny nobody picked up on the Uyghur reference. Weird.
        3. But back to Taiwan. Pretty much since its existence, but especially since the rise of the CCP, it has been China’s official stance that Taiwan is part of China and any nation that claims otherwise is actively antagonizing China. This is why so many countries walk on eggshells regarding whether they recognize Taiwan or not (even as they do business and offer military support) and why John Cena almost ACTUALLY disappeared after he accidentally acknowledged China in a press junket.
        4. Which comes to context. I realize that might be hard for you to understand, but this all kicked off with some a-hole (from mainland China where you do what the CCP says or “ba bada ba” you have fewer rights than a Uyghur) repetaedly referred to TSMC as “Chinese” and then said “I honestly believe that most, if not all high-skill positions would be filled by Chinese people.”. Which, at best, is really fucked up racism that downplays the Taiwanese and, more likely, is a refusal to acknowledge that Taiwan is a sovereign nation
        5. And a bit more context. I’ve mentioned “the semiconductor shield” a few times. TSMC is a particularly sore point with China because of it. Russia can fuck with Ukraine and MAYBE get some sanctions (they didn’t the last few times…). If China attacks TSMC it basically ends civilization as we know it and EVERYONE who cares about high end chips are going to get up in their face.

        So hey. I hope you find a way to live your life not spewing CCP propaganda. Or being a useful idiot.

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    • Harrison@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Taiwan has been independent from the mainland since 1949. That’s 74 years. Were people in the US in 1850 ethnically British? Largely yes, and that’s with the US recieving massive migration from other countries, which Taiwan has not had.

      The Taiwanese people speak Chinese, practice Chinese cultural traditions, call themselves the Republic of China many even to this day support reconciliation.

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