Those now saying 5 to 10 years are VC backed startups.

It’s scientists and engineers saying it, it may also be VCs, but 5-10 is the official line from engineers.

The bottom line is this, maybe one of these startups or smaller reactor designs will work, you never know. But at the end of the day, ITER is scheduled to be completed in 2034, and at that scale, it will be net energy positive, there’s no doubt.