Comment on Why are so many boys and men feeling alone and in the cold?

• IHeartBadCode@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s about sending young boys the message “toxic masculinity” over and over while they grow up and are trying to explore what masculinity means to them

  Is that what you think the point of the discussion here is? What you're saying is valid but that's not this setting. I think that's the aspect that might be getting lost with what I'm saying. I'm not discounting what your saying, what I'm indicating is that "your argument, completely valid in general. But are we not speaking specifically of this thread?"

  It's one of those things of, do you want to speak in general or in specific terms? In general yeah, we cannot just toss the term toxic masculinity all over the place with zero context. That's just going to confuse people. BUT…

  Men need feminism too. Patriarchy and toxic masculinity harm both men and women in different ways

  The starting of this thread is examining a specific topic among the many and it feels like you want to interject a side topic for fear that someone here might get confused about the specifics of "toxic masculinity" and what the background of that is. We're adults here and I think it's safe to look at what the original comment was getting at without diving head first into what (to me and that may be different for you so I acknowledge that) feels like splitting hairs.

  And every time a young boy questions the term in confusion he will be attacked “but the other side” yadda is not valid like you just did to me

  Well. Are you a young boy? Are you confused about the term? And that's the crux of what I am putting forward. And it isn't in honesty an attack on you or at least wasn't meant to be. We can talk "in general" about a hypothetical young boy, or we can be "specific" and address what you are and are not confused by. But we ought to avoid strafing between the two loosely because that's going to be distracting in best light.

  So I hope you understand when you have:

  And every time a young boy questions the term in confusion he will be attacked “but the other side” yadda

  and:

  is not valid like you just did to me

  Is taking the context of that first statement and attempting to apply it to the context of the second statement where the context of these two things are different altogether. "But the other side" yadda is dismissive in the first context and pointing out distraction in the second. We can use similar sounding statements in varied context to convey different ideas.

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  • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You just wrote a wall of text to justify when and why it’s ok for you to use language you apparently agree can be imprecise, hurtful and discriminatory. How about, you know, just find a better word?

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    • eltimablo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How about, you know, just find a better word?

      But then how will they subtly insult and demean you while still sounding like they have the moral high ground?

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    • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No I wrote a wall a text that indicates that you should know when you’re adding to a discussion and just butting in to make noise.

      But if you’d like me to be blunt so be it. What you had to say added nothing to the conversation and sought to redirect the topic. If you don’t want to speak on topic, get lost.

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      • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Blah blah blah

        Why are so many boys and men feeling alone and in the cold?

        TOXIC MASCULINITY TOXIC MASCULINITY TOXIC MASCULINITY TOXIC MASCULINITY TOXIC MASCULINITY plastered all over the internet and toxic people like you defending why they should use toxic language that harms boys and young men. If you want to behave like a sociopath fuck off.

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