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ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 months agoI think you may have a much more generous understanding of the current capabilities of AI than what it’s actually capable of. It isn’t Data from Star Trek.
auzy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Pretty much. It’s just weird this whole thread Feels like it was written by a marketing person.
Developers used to get hounded for blockchain by sales people.
Now the same people have moved to AI. Companies love it mainly because they can steal work, summarise it a bit, and profit
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s asinine yo compare AI with block chain. Block chain uses are very limited while my own 60 year old mother uses AI in her work. It depends on your work buts there’s immense use cases for AIs, and most people that use regularly can attest it’s a huge productivity boost even if it isn’t perfect and it has to be verified.
I also suggest you look up copyright laws. It’s clearly transformative. If collage is legal, how can AI not be?
Not to mention that we use AI already everyday. Any app that identifies songs, plants or insects uses AI. So does Google translate or your autocorrect on your phone (I’m not entirely certain about the second one).
If our government won’t force these companies to copyleft the models, the least they could do is not create a walled garden where only Microsoft and Google can afford to train models, something you are advocating without realizing. You are essentially being a mouthpiece for big AI companies and big data companies who are trying to shoot open source in the foot.
Individuals aren’t getting a dime, this is about if we can run these models on our PC or only through their subscription service.
auzy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This isn’t college.
And that’s not how AI works.
AI literally just copies bits of lots of sources and cobbles it together.
It has no idea what any of it means. We learn via experience. AI models won’t
If I write a reference book, I need to reference my source if I’m quoting things. Even if I saw it in 2 different books .
AI does not
Question… if there is only 1 source of information on a topic, and AI needs to reference it, what happens? It basically just copies it and changes a few words. No reference to the original author. It doesn’t even know.
If I read a book into a podcast and change a few words, take credit and don’t give any to the original author is that ok?
It’s not AI. That’s a marketing term like blockchain. Its just a combined data scraper with some random data.
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I know how AI works. I was using collage to show that it’s much less transformative than AI while still being accepted.
It also doesn’t copy bits. It has an internal network of bits and it shifts their weight with each images. It’s learning from the images akin to how a human would, not copying. This is far from a perfect analogy, there’s a mountain that separates a human brain from a neural network, it’s just that both processes would be copying under your definition.
This is a tool to help and guide. In terms of LLMs, trying to get references out of it is just a terrible use case. It’s suppose to be verified at all times and clearly should never be itself quoted.
For images, this is like expecting each artists to reference what influenced them. Having unrealistic thoroughly invented expectations doesn’t mean the tech is failing or bad.
This kind of attitude has some weird “everything has to be true on the internet” vibe. I wouldn’t expect actual truth and references from reddit posts, I don’t understand why people expect it from a guided rng machine.
If you read a hundred books and then built a podcast episode on what you learned from all those book, that would be okay and is a lot closer to what llms are doing.
That’s what AI is. 98% of machine learning is scrapping data and training models on it.
suy@programming.dev 2 months ago
It’s not AGI, it’s not general intelligence, and it’s not comparable to a human (well, you can compare anything, but human and ML are just very different things in tons of ways).
But it is AI. The ghosts that chase Pacman are AI. A search algorithm is also AI, dammit. Of course an LLM is AI. Any agent that maximizes a function is AI. You are just embarrassing yourself.