Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Most of the Lemmy.World users and mods are actively advocating to vote for Genocide, so i understand that Hexbear is a culture shock.
That vote was made in the Obama era. There’s a 35 billion dollar funding scheme for Israel that’s bin full swing.
Stopping it would require a lot of changes across multiple stratas of government and legal procedures.
… it’s not as simple as “the president” or “the party” can just stop a long term international set of contracts across industries and government agencies and departments.
The video “Rules for Rulers” by CPGGrey covers some of this.
In this case the rulers are not listening to their constituents and being extremely corrupt. Meaning their constituents should stop supporting said rulers.
it’s not as simple as “the president” or “the party” can just stop a long term international set of contracts across industries and government agencies and departments.
It is called Leahy law, and the current president is actively violating the law by sending weapons to israel which uses them to commit war crimes.
To play devil’s advocate, leahy law;
…prohibits the U.S. Department of State and Department of Defense from providing military assistance to foreign security force units that violate human rights with impunity.
But the fact that Israel is a democracy, suggests there are reprocessions, eg. Netenyahu could lose the election, and even face reprocessions from the next elected leader. So that’s not acting “with impunity”.
Israel has taken measures to make their genocide look considered (eg. Dropping flyers, naming bombing targets)… And to some extent, anyone wanting to claim they’re acting woth impunity (although it’s highly unlikely they’ll ever see reprocessions) - will have similar issues to those faced at Nuremberg, where the US didn’t want to invent laws to accuse them of being guilty of or having violated (as that would look like a kangaroo court, or future crime)…
…and unfortunately, due to the US having it’s own patchy human rights record, they avoid being a signatatory to international courts like The Hague.
So yeah, your claim wouldn’t be substantiated. It’s not that simple, you may as we’ll be claiming we can “reform our way our of Capitalism”… That’s a nice idea (as Leahy Law is), but they’re just not practically applicable.
Which is why I directed people to the “Rules for Rulers” video (by CPG grey), because it explains these basics to Socialists who basically live in these fantasy land conceptions of politics.
Of course fantasy land conceptions get upvotes, reality checks get downvotes, it’s a great system, designed to cause mental stagnation and “apathy through idealism” in the masses.
This is an israel problem not a Netanyahu problem.
Also israel is not a Democracy it is an Apartheid.
thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Because hexbear users would never do that, right? You’re fighting your battle on the wrong battleground.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There’s definitely some users there who go too far in their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China.
Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought. Imperialism bad is a more difficult pill to accept.
But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They’re not saying ‘yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy’.
Occasionally I do find they have a point in the West exaggerating others crimes. I mostly started noticing this after Hamas supposedly beheaded 40 babies in ovens which our media blasted as fact without questioning it. Though other times there is usually a base of truth which is undeniable.
But admitting that your side is doing Genocide and still advocating for them comes off as far more insane to me than denying their crimes.
carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I wonder what definition of imperialism you’re using. China doesn’t have a financial capitalist class which influences it’s government to seek foreign markets (i.e. overthrow foreign governments to privatize their state assets for the financial capitalist class to buy up)
It may seem to lib outside observers like that
Tell me you haven’t lurked there without having told me you having lurked there and talking out of your ass.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government. Evergrande is a great example of this. Asianometry did a great video on how deep it goes with receipts.
I’ve had two discussions with ml users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns. While they are definitely very exaggerated in size, the notion that they don’t exist seems unfounded.