Comment on The Irony of 'You Wouldn't Download a Car' Making a Comeback in AI Debates
ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I never fully figured out how the people who are against AI companies using copyrighted content on the training data fit that in with their general attitude towards online piracy. Seems contradictory to be against one but not another.
Your average pirate isn’t looking to profit from their copyright infringement.
In a similar way, someone getting busted for downloading a movie is a civil matter, but if they get busted for selling unauthorized DVDs then it can become a criminal matter.
They’re saving money which is effectively the same thing.
The pirate is looking to save money with their copyright infringement.
These AI companies are looking to make money from it.
There’s no practical difference between the two.
If I save 100 bucks a month from my expenses it means I have an extra 100 bucks to spend on something else.
If I earn additional 100 bucks a month it means I have an extra 100 bucks to spend on something else.
It’s not because what they’re against is the consolidation of power.
If the principle “information is free” can lead to systems where information is not free, then that’s not really desirable, is it.
If free information to inspire more creative works can lead to systems with less creative works, then that’s not really desirable, is it.
Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Is the pirate valued at $100,000,000,000? Will the pirate ever make enough of a dent to be considered a rounding error in a $100bn valuation? Is the pirate even attempting to turn a profit?
If the training data was for personal consumption, knock yourself out. When you try to say you’re worth billions but can’t afford to pay for the material? Fuck all the way off. I’m sure fucknuts at the top of this is gonna get a fat fucking pay day, so scrape a few fucking zeros off their quartly bonus and pay the people actually making the fucking content you are ABSOLUTELY going to turn around and try to make a profit off of.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Don’t forget that the pirates usually don’t say “art should have been just a weekend hobby, not a profession”.
ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I don’t see how this addresses my question. Just because someone is causing bigger harm it doesn’t justify causing a little harm. Stealing a lollipop is less bad than stealing a car but it’s still both stealing. AI companies can afford paying for the material just like online pirate can afford paying for the movie.
daellat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because the small thief in this example is not making money from the theft
ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 2 months ago
No, but they’re saving money which is effectively the same thing. There’s no practical difference between earning 50 bucks and getting a 50 buck discount.