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• Blaze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But i won’t hold it against world admins to not listen to people from other instances asking for communities to be locked, when the mods are still active users.

  What does “other instances” mean in a federated context? I can use my LW alt, use it to post everywhere for a few weeks, am I now a local user?

  But if a mod doesn’t want to oblige to your requests, then so be it, i think that is just fair.

  I have another example for this !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz

  • We discussed on !fedigrow@lemm.ee where we could host an alternative dataisbeautiful community, we decided on mander.xyz
  • I spent some time discussing with the mander.xyz admins, seeing if they would like to have the community on their instance, all the jazz
  • I open the community, it’s quite active, all good. We kind of solved the paradox of choice issue for people, this community is becoming the default one for this type of content.

  From time to time, some LW users go to the LW to post. Then all of a sudden, the paradox of choice is there again, and it’s less clear for everyone as well.

  All of this while 2 of the 3 mods haven’t been active for months, and the last one just popped back from a 2 months hiatus, preventing me from requesting the community.

  That’s what frustrating with the whole situation. Sometimes you also encounter name sitters such as lemmy.world/u/WandererLagomorph770

  Have a look at that list of communities, and tell me this is not a name squatter.

  Oh wow, i would have thought it would be more.

  There are a lot of abandoned instances. Actually, it’s the other way around. Having a look at the stats, most of the populated instances are using 0.19.5 except LW, so it’s 18k out of the around 50k monthly users which are held back.

  To be honest, I even forgot the picture thing was introduced then.

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  • AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What does “other instances” mean in a federated context?

    It means that the instance admins have a higher responsibility towards their own users, mods and communities wishes.

    I have another example for this !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz

    Yeah well i don’t think they should lock that community if the mod doesn’t want it to be locked. Do you really think that would be right? Should i go and demand the solarpunk bird community to be locked because world’s is more active? I think it’d be pretty bad if they did, not that i think they would. Also i don’t think that user you called out is part of world’s staff.

    The paradox of choice is something you have deal with in the fediverse i guess, starts at choosing a server. I don’t think it should be that big of a deal, as long as communities can be found from the instances internal search.

    0.19.5

    I still don’t think they keep us from being upgraded to be mean.

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    • Blaze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah well i don’t think they should lock that community if the mod doesn’t want it to be locked. Do you really think that would be right? Should i go and demand the solarpunk bird community to be locked because world’s is more active? I think it’d be pretty bad if they did, not that i think they would.

      It’s up to debate, but to me if the mod isn’t active for the community (e.g. posting regularly), they should ask for someone else to take up that role. And if nobody wants the role, and there is another active community to redirect too, it could be nice to lock the inactive community down and redirect to the active one.

      I mod a few inactive communities (such as !harrypotter@literature.cafe ). If someone came to me and said “hey, we’ve been trying to get our own HP community active, you already have some people on yours, would you mind locking yours down as you don’t seem to actively mod it, and redirect to ours?” I would definitely do it.

      Also i don’t think that user you called out is part of world’s staff.

      They are not, but at the same time the LW rules still allow them to namesquat that community.

      The paradox of choice is something you have deal with in the fediverse i guess, starts at choosing a server. I don’t think it should be that big of a deal, as long as communities can be found from the instances internal search.

      For the instance, as long as you take the big ones (LW, lemm.ee, SJW, dbzer0, lemmy.ca, etc.), your experience will indeed be the same. To know which community to post too, this is a different story, and I’ve seen a lot of people telling me “I stay on Reddit because when I when to post about a topic, there’s a clear community where to. On Lemmy, there are two or three active communities competing for the same topic, and it’s just confusing”. Of course we should keep different communities for different folks (no one would consider merging lemmy.ml communities with LW’s), but we can also reduce the confusion for a few core topics that can help new joiners to get settled

      I still don’t think they keep us from being upgraded to be mean.

      They are not, but as I said earlier, LW is so large than they have to be extra cautious with their updates. If they would be 20% of the total Lemmy population, and 30 of the top 100 communities compared to now, they would probably be more at ease with “me can mess up a bit, it’s okay”. Having them as a cornerstone of the whole platform puts them constantly under the spotlight.

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      • AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        LW rules still allow them to namesquat that community

        So i had another look. I think it’s actually kinda crazy that you demand they should lock the dataisbeautiful community. The world one has a bunch of different users posting stuff to it, in the mander one it is 50% you. The mods are all active lemmy users, max three months since last comment (and we don’t know when they last logged in to lemmy). You just claim it is an unmanaged community, but it looks just fine to me, no spam or whatever. And i don’t agree at all that mods necessarily need to be actively posting into the communities they mod.

        Quoting the quote where you mentioned me in that other topic

        You can easily pick the “wrong” community on a topic, and see zero content when there’s another one full of posts but…

        This does not apply to the world community, but i guess to the ones other than mander, ml and world:

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        The ml community is also not locked btw.

        And i don’t see how this could be fixed in the lemmyverse, having multiple communities for same topic? It is just part of how this works? It is also kinda easy to tell by these search results which communities might be active. And if you’re interested in the topic, you’d subscribe to all of them (active ones). That’s how it was a year ago too, when i looked for communities of my interest.

        Honestly i understand you less after looking into it more. I mean i get the desire to spread out communities and i think it would be a good thing, but you can’t just force your will onto other people and their ideas like that.

        LW is so large than they have to be extra cautious with their updates. If they would be 20% of the total Lemmy population, and 30 of the top 100 communities compared to now, they would probably be more at ease with “me can mess up a bit, it’s okay”. Having them as a cornerstone of the whole platform puts them constantly under the spotlight.

        Well then we agree that it seems to be fine how they do it.

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