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• Blaze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.

  Agreed

  Well that is just like… your opinion man

  There are two main issues with centralization on LW:

  • centralized decisions impacting most of the Lemmy users made by a small group of people (I posted a list of them here, even Rooki a LW admin agreed with me that them being “Reddit 2.0” puts them under a lot of pressure: lemmy.world/comment/12070983 )
  • federation issues with smaller instances, as LW is so big it cannot keep up with instances which are further away ( lemmy.world/post/15634599 , another detailed explanation is available here, where it impacted instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemdro.id, lemmy.nz, reddthat.com and aussie.zone : lemmy.world/post/13967373 )

  A detailed thread on !fedigrow@lemm.ee that discusses the issue: lemmy.world/post/14728407

  World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy.

  Agreed, and as I always say, I think they do a quite good job overall. At the same time, it would be better if communities could move away from LW as well, for reasons stated above

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  • AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.

    Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.

    And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.

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    • Blaze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.

      The issue is that new joiners are probably going to move to LW, as most of the users and communities are there, and they might not completely get how federation works. So then LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way.

      That’s why I’m advocating for moving communities now, then the whole thing is more balanced.

      Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.

      That would be ideal, but Lemmy development usually takes time, and we should always be ready to have an influx of new users. Solving the issue ourselves has a higher and faster change of success than wait for the devs to update it, release it and then wait for all instances to upgrade.

      Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.

      And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.

      Communities can already be migrated at the moment. I moved !casualconversation@lemmy.world to !casualconversation@lemm.ee, left a pinned post on the old one, locked it, and everyone moved to the new one smoothly (we even have more activity now than back then).

      I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.

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      • AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way

        Maybe enough people will recommend different instances this time? I wanted to sign up at .ml originally, but they didn’t accept anything, lots of people recommended world. I think it was also on top of the join-lemmy site and the shuffling came later but i might remember that wrong. I didn’t want to join an instance with a country code and also not a niche instance dedicated to a topic that i am not all that interested in (computers, startrek, furries, lgbtq…).

        Solving the issue ourselves

        That issue is not being solved if nobody even realize it’s there or is just being swept under the rug until it comes up with the next wave!?

        Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.

        All of us who are already on board can leave for a cutting adge instance. I think it’s a good thing that they want to keep world stable and take their time.

        Communities can already be migrated at the moment.

        What, like automatically transfer subscribers (and hopefully posts at some point) etc? I thought everybody needs to be on board and then do it manually?

        I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.

        As they should be, not just delete some community because some user claimed it was dead and unmoderated (like i saw you do recently with a community which had an active user as admin). If they just deleted those communities i guess you’d go at them again with the power trip accusations.

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