It doesn’t matter where it came from, if you’re steeped in this kind of language it’s a massive signpost that you’ve handicapped your own intellectual abilities in a profound way. Healthy, normal people with regulated feelings and stable perspectives grounded in reality do not frequent the communities that use this kind of language.
It’s a red flag that will always make the outside world laugh and reject what you have to say, and if your instinct is to retreat back into the places that use this language, you are going to absolutely SUFFER in life, this is a warning coming from a place of compassion, you HAVE to believe me.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s a lot to unpack but I think you aren’t being intellectually honest but that doesn’t matter.
The label ‘incel’ was co-opted by mostly hard-right chantards, taken from an online community with VERY different ideals that modern 4chan incels. The truth is most ‘modern’ incels are actually volcels (voluntary celibates) that actively poison their own minds with misogynistic male supremacy ideology, making them a special kind of terrible partner. Think ten million Andrew Tates but broke and with worse hygiene.
‘normie’ isn’t specifically incel speak, but rather chantard speak, of which modern incels often have their online social roots in. All Honda Civics are cars, but not all cars are Honda Civics.
Incels are loath to fuck each other because a) most are male and homophobic, and b) they already view each other as low quality partners per definition.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
OK. I know that. So?
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So you should know that not many people outside of the incelsphere use the word ‘normie’ unironically anymore. Lots of other groups used to, me being a part of several, and we stopped using it to avoid association a few years back but the chantards were being so loud with it that no one noticed really.
A lot of language works like that, when you see despicable people using a phrase that you commonly use, you generally tend to stop using them. Which is why there are things like corporate slogans and bumper stickers. All branding and identity.
So people self-segregate their language by creating new in-group words and retiring common definitions and whether or not they adopt out-group slang. This creates a unique fingerprint that, if a user is mostly exclusive to that slang group, they will treat the slang as common parlance and unconsciously slip into it when interacting with out-groups.
For example, when Digg died, it was common for redditors to call out the immigrating users for their particular line spacing which wasn’t really used on reddit at the time. Same language, slightly different slang, but fundamentally different message structure.
4chan’s 2016 crowd were super adept at sniffing out incoming redditors to a degree that almost makes me envious.
So when someone uses the phrase ‘normie’ like that, they are very likely to have spent most of their social upbringing (when linguistic adoption is still plastic) on chan-adjacent incel boards.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh. I see. I thought someone wanted to communicate that “no time to smile” and “you should respect other people” thing to me which, eh, causes the opposite reaction.
If that is really, honestly the emotion and context implied from the word, I am going to ask you, as a non-native speaker, what should I replace it to refer to somebody “obnoxious”+“more normal than you”+“more social than you”+“consciously ignorant of details and proud of that”+“watching TV news”+“thinking one can be morally correct while logically incorrect”+“oblivious of their discourse not being the only one”+“judgemental” and other unpleasant traits of many people, connected to arrogance, ignorance and lack of empathy, but with the implication of those traits being hardly avoidable due to lack of experiences those “less normal” of us had.